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« on: November 18, 2007, 12:28:58 AM »

Hello!

I'm a first time poster here, and I realize that it is ordinarily bad manners to start the very first post with a plug for one's website - but since Droz contacted me about the website in the first place I hope it's okay...   Wink

I'm the creator of the Art Tutorials Wiki. This website was born out of my frustration with online art tutorials. Not frustration at their quality, which was often quite high. It was just that there are so many tutorials out there that finding the precise tutorial you need becomes exceedingly difficult - even with Google. So I started to collect bookmarks to art tutorials, and this summer finally decided to turn them into a wiki format. This would not only allow others to make use of those links, but add their own as well. So far, more than a thousand tutorials are listed in it.

But the wiki has the potential for more than "just" a giant directory for art tutorials - it is also possible to create your own tutorials as well. I have done so, and my tutorials can be found here. They are using GIMP and Inkscape, since that's what I am using as well. And I hope that there will be more like it in the future.

But what Droz contacted me for was about helping with expanded information and descriptions of Open Source software. I was delighted at this, since I often thought about this myself - but never really found the time for it. As you can see, my pages for GIMP and Inkscape are pretty much bare bones, and other Open Source programs aren't even listed - and I would really appreciate if you could help me with that. I know of at least one case where a reader of the wiki discovered GIMP for the first time through it - and it would be nice if this were to happen more frequently in the future. Better descriptions and information about these programs would certainly help.

So, what else can be done to help improve the wiki? Well, I've written an Improvement Guide which I think should answer most questions, but here are a few things in particular:

- Adding new links: If you know of any good tutorials, please add them to the appropriate pages. You don't have to register at Wikidot.Com to edit and create new entries at the wiki - I've set permissions this way so that the wiki remains as open as possible. Although you will show up as "Anonymous" in the page history unless you register... (If you don't know of any good tutorials not yet listed in the wiki, then there's a lengthy forum thread with some pointers...)

- Creating new tutorials: I found that the wiki format supports creating tutorials very well - it is far less hassle than creating and uploading tutorials in HTML format or putting the entire tutorial into a single image (as it is the standard at DeviantArt). The Screentone tutorial, for example, took me less than 30 minutes - including creating and uploading the images. So feel free to create any tutorials you like and put them there - it's not hard as long as you know the basics of the wiki code.

However, you do need to be a member of the wiki to upload image files (this is something which I didn't want just everyone to be able to). For this, you first need to register at Wikidot.Com and then click on the "How to join?" link in the sidebar. I will accept your application at the earliest opportunity (this shouldn't take more than a day or so). Alternatively, existing members (such as Droz, who is a member as of 30 minutes ago) are able to invite other members via email through the "Invite other people!" link. Once you are a member, you can upload files and create tutorials at your leisure.

- Spread the word!

The more people know of this wiki, the better - for then it is likely that there will be more volunteers willing to help improve the content of the wiki. So please tell other people who might find this wiki useful!


I'm looking forward to your comments and contributions.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 09:00:49 AM »

This sounds like a great idea to help spread the word of opensource free programs.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 09:29:27 AM »

This sounds like a great idea to help spread the word of opensource free programs.

Indeed. Too often on, say, DeviantArt I come across other people who have never even heard of GIMP and who are either about to shell over a lot of money for Photoshop or worse, create all their work with MS Paint.

I want the wiki to be extremely useful and friendly for newbies - and if they learn about Open Source programs while trying to learn something new there, so much the better.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 01:24:05 PM »

Sounds like a good idea, but I haven't had a chance to digest everything in your post and probably won't be able to for the next couple of days.

One concern I have is that I was on another forum and a new member showed up and essentially scolded everyone for posting their tutorials in a forum setting versus a wiki.  One thing I took away from his/her post (and I may have misinterpreted that part of the post) was that there should be no "ownership of intellectual/creative property" - it belongs to everyone. 

Does the wiki format allow someone to come in edit something I've created/posted?  If so, then could they then claim ownership of such a technique?

Please don't take my questions a being from someone who has no desire to share....quite the contrary.  I've shared quite a bit of stuff and there's a few things that I'm quite proud of.  However, I don't want someone showing up and editing my grammar and then trying to take credit because he/she modified the sentence structure.

Maybe I don't understand how a wiki works, but if you could provide some clarification on my post I would greatly appreciate it.

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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2007, 05:58:41 AM »

Sounds like a good idea, but I haven't had a chance to digest everything in your post and probably won't be able to for the next couple of days.

One concern I have is that I was on another forum and a new member showed up and essentially scolded everyone for posting their tutorials in a forum setting versus a wiki.  One thing I took away from his/her post (and I may have misinterpreted that part of the post) was that there should be no "ownership of intellectual/creative property" - it belongs to everyone. 

Does the wiki format allow someone to come in edit something I've created/posted?  If so, then could they then claim ownership of such a technique?

I've set the wiki as having a Creative Commons licence, since trying to track ownership of many, many edits would likely be more trouble than it is worth in my opinion. So no, someone else could not claim ownership of the technique - because by putting something into the wiki means you essentially give up ownership to it, just like programming something for an Open Source application.

However, if you log in under your own user name, it will be logged in the page history - which means that if you want to keep track of who has written what, you can.
So... Anyone willing to help out?
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2007, 08:24:14 AM »

I think I'll pass.  I definitely like the idea of sharing, but I don't like the concept of giving up something completely.  Thanks for the offer and best of luck with your site.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2007, 01:20:14 PM »

I think I'll pass.  I definitely like the idea of sharing, but I don't like the concept of giving up something completely.  Thanks for the offer and best of luck with your site.

Oh well... Up to you, of course, though I should point out that GIMP and Inkscape were created on the same model.   Wink
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2007, 01:37:28 PM »

True, but I'd like to think that by sharing the number of resources that I have with the community (tutorials, brushes, continued assistance with new/experienced users alike, etc.), it would qualify as being open.    I'm very thankful for what the programmers have done which have allowed me to create in a way that I've never been able to....which is why I write tutorials, convert brushes, and spend time on forums giving assistance.   

And, here's one last thing in my defense: "GIMP is Free Software and a part of the GNU Project. In the free software world, there is generally no distinction between users and developers. As in a friendly neighbourhood, everybody pitches in to help their neighbors. Please consider the time you give in assistance to others as payment. - Quote from GIMP.org

Would hope that it counts for something.  But, it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong either.  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2007, 05:11:45 PM »

OK not to be nit picky and please do not get all up in arms here, but The Gimp just recently, with in the last few years that is, switched to a CCL and Inkscape is still covered by the GPL ver 2.

In all honesty what ever the program carries for a license should not effect how the end user decides to use the program and what they do with the creations. I think it is awesome that The Gimp Crew and Inkscape crew created these programs and continue with the development of them. I have shown this by donating money to both projects.

I think this wiki is a great idea. I have my reservation about working under the CCL but that more depends on how you interpret it and what style of CCL you are working with. I also have some reservations about working in an open style wiki, but yet again that is due to one bad experience and i am willing to try again...

Even with my reservations i do beleive there is quite a bit of content that could be added and maintained in a wiki style eviroment. I have PMed you at the wiki with my whole thoughts.

I encourage any one who wants to contribute and help to do so.  No is saying you have to or you have to even post your tutorials there. I am sure links work and maybe members of the dome could work togather to create some good open content tutorials. The possibilities are there.
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2008, 06:37:44 AM »

I've thought long and hard about this, and I've decided not to use the Creative Commons licence any more for the wiki.

Now there's the following line at the bottom of each page:

"The contents of this document are © their respective authors."


I hope this is sufficient.
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